Crappy kidney wheel info

Ive got them crappy kidney alloys (u might see them in my avatar) but i bought meself some cool 12 slotters and was fitting them last week and i have noticed there were 2 washers on each stud holding the alloys 6mm off the rotor.(on the front, great for screaming around cnrs and shearing studs)
when they are removed the alloys scrape on the caliper. theve got the same stud as HQ-WB but musnt be sutible for these models.
my 12 slotters fit perfect so i know my calipers are the right ones and iam not bothered, but iam curious what the alloys are suppose to fit?
any ideas?

I had a set of mags once.
The fronts were 14 x 7 and they hit the tie rod end.
I was told it was because something was different between the HQ & HZ.
So i sold them off.

i know stock hq rims r more inset then stock hj x z and wb rims but i dont think that wouldnt have anything to do with it

They might be to suit a vb-vk commodore, as they had a different offset,and fouled on the tie rods and caliper when fitted to hx&hz

yeah Ben you may be right. but i havent seen many of these crappy rims on commo's.
would explain the caliper rubbing.

I had a vh (I think),with 12slotters,tried to fit them to the van for painting,but found them to not fit, hit on the calipers and tie rods,put them back on the vh and turned it into a paddock basher.cracked 2 of them during hooning, mine were weak and crappy!!!!!